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 Post subject: Faulty look for savings in Division II
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:42 pm 
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Faulty look for savings in Division II

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 Post subject: Re: Faulty look for savings in Division II
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:27 pm 
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This looks like a ploy to draw attention to their plight....

I don't know a single alumni that would be on board with this. If they want a raise why don't they ask for incentives built into their contracts on the front end, it's amazing that the athletic staff would be better at negotiating then someone with a PHD. My final thoughts are bonuses and raises were paid for with private donations... Why doesn't the faculty start fundraising themselves or look for grants? Also the faculty just got bonuses, so it's falling on deaf ears.


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Why doesn't the faculty start fundraising themselves or look for grants? Also the faculty just got bonuses, so it's falling on deaf ears.


It must be a new concept to them that the way to make money is to bring the university money with research grants.... I am working with a faculty member right now at the school I am at that has brought in over 1 million dollars in various research studies. The school appreciates this so they compensate her very well.


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 Post subject: Re: Faulty look for savings in Division II
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:58 am 
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While I agree that returning to D2 isn't going to change anything...I think
this problem is more widespread than just at UCA. My wife is a school teacher
and has been for 25 years. She teaches high school English and Literature in
the public schools and spends countless hours on lesson plans, prep and grading
papers...but makes about $20k less than the head football coach who teaches
no classes. I am a strong believer in athletics but I can understand the concern
from the educators. But people certainly have a right to donate money to
athletic programs if they see fit. They also have the right to donate equal
amount to academics it they choose that route.


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 Post subject: Re: Faulty look for savings in Division II
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 Post subject: Re: Faulty look for savings in Division II
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:48 am 
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Never going to happen but articles like this especially in the adg
will have a negative effect on recruitment for next year.


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 Post subject: Re: Faulty look for savings in Division II
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FOOT84 wrote:
My wife is a school teacher and has been for 25 years. She teaches high school English and Literature in
the public schools and spends countless hours on lesson plans, prep and grading
papers...but makes about $20k less than the head football coach who teaches
no classes.


While I agree with your entire statement and the fact that your wife needs to get paid more like all teachers (If we didn't have teachers no one would be where they are at today). I just want to spin the quote above. Yes, your wife spends countless hours on lesson plans, prep and grading papers but does a coach not do the same on watching game film, coming up with a game plan, and coaching his players?


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 Post subject: Re: Faulty look for savings in Division II
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:44 pm 
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BearU wrote:
FOOT84 wrote:
My wife is a school teacher and has been for 25 years. She teaches high school English and Literature in
the public schools and spends countless hours on lesson plans, prep and grading
papers...but makes about $20k less than the head football coach who teaches
no classes.


I think this has to do with Risk.... If a coach has a few losing seasons he is at risk of being fired, or not having his contract renewed... I don't know many teachers/faculty that are at risk every year of being let go, and in the case of professor Browne who is probably tenured (I am making this assumption because he leads the faculty senate) he stands no risk of losing his job.


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 Post subject: Re: Faulty look for savings in Division II
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From Dr. Teague's Twitter Feed:
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UCA Athletics is proud of its move to and successes in Division I. We look forward to many more years of the same! #GoUCA


I think it is crazy for the faculty and staff to be saying things like this. Do they not realize how athletic contracts work? It's things like this that scare away great coaches and athletic directors...


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 Post subject: Re: Faulty look for savings in Division II
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I'm sure they do but you do realize our athletic department is not self-supportive don't you? Money is moved around from several other departments and foundations to make athletics stay afloat here at UCA. I see both sides to the arguments.

FWIW, does anyone know if schools receive anything from the SLC office when games are televised?


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 Post subject: Re: Faulty look for savings in Division II
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I'm sure they do but you do realize our athletic department is not self-supportive don't you? Money is moved around from several other departments and foundations to make athletics stay afloat here at UCA. I see both sides to the arguments.

FWIW, does anyone know if schools receive anything from the SLC office when games are televised?


I completely understand that fact. I also realize their main issue is with our administration for hiding crap from them (again). I can see both sides of the argument, but going back down to DII will not solve their problems in the long run.


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This needs to go away quickly so it will not be used against us in the recruiting process.


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 Post subject: Re: Faulty look for savings in Division II
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:21 pm 
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The job security issue is absolutely on target.

D1 coaches have no job security......D2 not much better.......the FBS coaches at least get paid for the employment risk but not FCS, especially assistant coaches.

Faculty typically has lifetime employment, esp once tenured. Do not get me started on the issue of tenure.

As to high school coaches, all that I know basically get paid minimum wage per hour. They have full time teaching jobs (my kids experience was that the coaches were extremely good teachers) plus enormous time on practice prep, practice, film analysis, scouting opponents, bus trips, parent meetings, athlete counseling, works most Saturdays, etc. There may be a few in Arkansas (big football programs) that get much better pay but most do not. Like it or not, football pays the way for sports and people will donate to make sure football coaches are taken care of.


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 Post subject: Re: Faulty look for savings in Division II
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This is just a diversion to keep key peoples mind off the Mr. Gillean mess which has so many components to it that it would make anything else that has happened at UCA seem like an old My Three Sons television episode.


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