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 Post subject: BREAKING NEWS, Lamar has injunction granted
PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:44 pm 
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BREAKING NEWS, Lamar has injunction granted http://www.arkansasvarsity.rivals.com/c ... ID=1015182


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Is no one else reporting on this?
I can't find any other news online. Anyone got a link to a newspaper story or anything?


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treyuca wrote:
Is no one else reporting on this?
I can't find any other news online. Anyone got a link to a newspaper story or anything?


I'm better than newspapers, and have quotes from the AAA.

BTW, 3A Playoffs NOW SUSPENDED


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unbelievable...How long will this process take?


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Who knows!


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Heard on the radio that Lamar IS back in after a "judge" ruled the player was in fact eligible. Stupid AAA.

Good for Lamar's administration for fighting for what was apparently right and not just giving up.


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Lamar is not back yet and Atkins is not out yet. This is just an injunction to stop the playoffs until everything can be heard in court.


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More on the Class 3A Playoff situation, to include information from inside of the courtroom http://www.arkansasvarsity.rivals.com/c ... ID=1015509


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When is the last time the AAA made a major decision and the majority of people said "You know, that sure was a good idea"?


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Publisher Thoughts: Class 3A Playoff Situation http://www.arkansasvarsity.rivals.com/s ... 07&style=2


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Another update: 3A Playoffs in question now?

(Update added to an ongoing article previously posted on ArkansasVarsity.com)

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Why are you in favor of just throwing Atkins back in the playoffs and proceeding? That doesn't make any sense.

And why would someone making a "bona fide" move be forced to miss an entire year? Parents change jobs. People move. You can't punish kids for moving. My family almost moved to NWA due my dad's job. It was with the same company, just a possible transfer of locations. That's 4 hours from where we lived. I should have to miss an entire baseball season because of this? No way. Each case has its own specifics and should be ruled on as such - now here's the important part - in a timely manner.

The problem is that the AAA had plenty of time to make a ruling before this debacle once the season ended. He had clearly been playing for the team prior to this ruling. What the freak took so long? And the accountability is through a circuit judge apparently. Why complain when someone calls you out for making a wrong decision? Stop trying to pass the blame to the court when your organization screwed up.

I still don't understand why someone from the ADG hasn't done a very thorough investigation of this entire thing.

What should happen is what would have happened if the AAA had made the correct ruling. Put Lamar back where it - according to the court - belongs. And then play the games starting next week.


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The court is wrong here. Lamar has NO written documentation from the AAA saying the young man is eligible. This rule was voted on by the schools, and the court has to right to overrule this. That is why the AAA is appealing the ruling.

The kid was NEVER deemed eligible by the AAA, therefor, the right thing to do is to put Atkins in and keep going, but they can't because of the injunction.

Even if the AAA did say verbally that he was eligible, you have to have it in writing in the court of law.

Go listen to the interview with Lance Taylor in the thread. Taylor is not going to state false statements on the air, on record.


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On what grounds does a judge grant an injunction in this? The judge should have summarily dismissed this request and the playoffs should go on. This is a purely AAA matter. Whether I think they got it right or not, we do not need courts to decide on playoff brackets. Maybe next a claim that officiating in playoffs was poor and kept a team from advancing....judge could watch some game film, read the rule book, hear from some coaches who had games called by the same officials, call in an expert or two from out of state to give testimony,etc....not to mention that the tie breaker used by the AAA to decide on the last team in is patently arbitrary in that it uses point spread but limits to 30 (?) per game even though one team won by 40 and the extra points would have made th tie breaker difference.....while at it the courts could look at the inequity in number of coaches one team may have and that Nashville sells out each game and others have to suffer before sparse crowds......now that I think of it, the AAA is wrong to make Siloam Springs travel so much to central Arkansas and without the travel fatique they might have won more games.......and anyone who has to go to Mountain Home should be given some consideration , maybe a 5 bonus points award....and how fair is it to make visiting teams play at Crooked Creek....also, I hear Bentonville had a move in from out of state and that Coach Lunney gets more booster dollars than other coaches.....play ball....

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Go listen to the interview with Lance Taylor in the thread. Taylor is not going to state false statements on the air, on record.


At least, not statements that can be proven false.

And it doesn't make a single bit of sense to punish a kid for a full year because his family moves. That's completely asinine.

A kid who isn't into athletics doesn't get punished and have a major part of his formative life blown to smithereens if his family relocates. Say a kid's parents move from Rison to Rogers, and this kid doesn't even play a sport but is into all sorts of other extracurriculars. Is he going to be held out of quiz bowl, band, choir, FFA, etc. for a full year?

Hell, we can't have kids transferring from school to school just to get a better education ... it'll kill the local districts! We should ban them from classes for a year if they move!

A lot of people in this state live in towns where jobs are scarce. How tough would it be to lose your job, get offered a new one elsewhere that required a move, and here you are with a kid about to enter his senior year and now because of some bulls--t rule he has the best year of his life ripped apart so that your family can eat. Maybe the kid's even good enough to earn himself a college scholarship to an in-state D2 or something ... if he shows he's worth it his senior year. But now he can't, and you can't afford to send him. Tough luck, sonny. No higher education for you.

That's what you're advocating with that nonsense you spouted off.

Oh, but "he could live with grandma". What if grandma is dead or in Wyoming? "He could live with a coach or a friend". Uh huh. Makes good sense to have to split a kid from his family so that he/she can have the same normal social life and life experiences that come with being a part of a team.

And this blanket rule across the board for all sports? Even more asinine. People may do some transferring for football and basketball and such. But how big a problem do we have of people skipping from town to town trying to screw the system to play golf, soccer, tennis, run cross country, etc.?

Oh hey, Heber kid who has run cross country your whole life ... sorry the lodge shut down and your folks lost their jobs and had to move to Piggott, but we just can't have you pulling any shady stuff on us and now you must sit a year. Why? Because we have dumb rules, and people with websites support us. Sincerely, AAA.

Come on. Screwing kids over (kids in 9th grade are what ... 14 years old? Screwing 14 year-olds over – that's what you're all about?) when they are far from independence and cannot control their own destiny seems beyond absurd in my mind.

Of course, high school athletics and small-town BS aren't the preeminent forces in my life either so maybe my vantage point is a bit different. Oh well.


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